imo it is not fault of Serbian people mostly it is foult of Italian security on stadium not having information about serbian supporters,and just about giving them permition to enter the stadium.. this things happend all the time, all around world...
i'm sorry pipa, but that's just wrong.
first of let me tell u,
theese things does NOT happen all the time. we're not talking about a few hundreds hooligans causing some havoc. we're talking about 1000 criminals who came in genova precisely to stop the match. that was the most complicated football related threat italy faced in the last few years, so no, this is absolutely NOT an usual situation.
those who came in here weren't just angry violent fans... those were criminals sent in italy with the specific purpose of stopping the match, embarass serbia and complicate their entrance into the EU (that's was just my theory yesterday, but apparently today italian and serbian media are confirming my suspects).
second point: italian authorities
did ask information about what kind of fans were about to come in genova. and the serbian authorities replied aswell, telling us that about 2000 people were about to come in italy and that half of that (wich means 1000 people) were very dangerous people.... they told us some of those people aren't even allowed to enter into their own stadia!!!
once the italians authorities got this intel, the only thing they could possibly do was to prepare themselves for the worst. wich is what they did.... brilliantly.
u say the italian police shouldn't have allowed this people to enter in italy.... but obviously italian police has no jurisdiction on serbian territory. italy can't stop people from coming here... we can only send them back, once they arrive (and sending them back would have been absolutely wrong and much more dangerous, but i'll speak about that later).
it was the serbian interpol office wich was supposed to stop theese people from coming here..... especially since they knew what kind of people they were sending here! WTF if those people aren't even allowed to enter into their own stadia, why in the name of God they sold em the tickets?!?! why the hell did they allow them to leave their country and move to italy????
here in italy we have a system to prevent violent ultras travel to other cities for high risk away matches. it's called DASPO.
it's some sort of a precautionary disciplinary measure. the "questore" (police commissioner) issues an injunction that forbids the violent fan from leaving his own city (it's a temporary injunction, of course... once the match is over the injunction expires). that's our system to prevent, say, violent catania ultras from coming in palermo when catania has to play against palermo.
but obviously the italian authorities cannot issue any injunction over people who are not in italy!!! the serbian authorities were supposed to stop those bastards... we couldn't do a thing to avoid that!!!
third point: i heard many people saying that the italians should have not allowed those people to enter into the stadium.... even that idiot of blatter said that. this is just ridiculous.
did u think about the consequences of such a decision????
u have 1000 violent people with a specific criminal intent coming here in genova.... 1000!!! wich means a potential huge threat for the city and his habitants. they arrive here in genova (thanks to serbian authorities, who allowed them to leave from serbia) and move towards the stadium.
now let's try for a second to imagine what would have happened if we would have done what u and blatter seem to suggest.
the italian police stop those 1000 people (how do u even stop such a huge crowd!!! u'd need an army to do that) and tell them they can't get into the stadium.
what do u think would have been their reaction?
"oh, ok then, we'll just leave and head back to serbia"
yeah sure..... they would have start rioting all over the city. they would have fought their way into the stadium. they would have unleashed their fury on the city, on the habitants, on the monuments.
those people were allowed to roam around the city for just about half an hour... and in such a short time they still managed to vandalise palazzo ducale... one of the most beautiful piece of art and architecture in the city... a palace built in 1200. and u wanted us to keep those crazy animals outside the stadium? causing havoc all over the city??? or, even worse, u wanted us to try and force them to go back to serbia (wich would have caused a full scale guerrilla outside the stadium!?!)??? that's crazy!
now i don't give a damn about blatter, fifa, uefa.
if i have to choose between letting those people do what they were sent here to do (stop the match) or destroy the city, hell, knock yourself out. who cares about a football match. my main concern is to protect the people in genoa and the city itself.
the italian authorities did the only right thing to do. once they realised those thugs were a serious threat for the city and the people in genova, once they realised how dangerous would have been to leave those thugs outside the stadium or to stop them from trying to get inside the stadium, rather then letting them destroy the city and hurt somebody, they allowed them to enter into the stadium, where the police could easily control their fury....... wich is exactly what happened.
i'm actually amazed by the ability the italian security showed in this situation. we let those people get into the away sector, wich was well guarded by the police. once in the away sector those bastards couldn't harm anyone, they were all stuck in a very small and easy to control space (the away sector of the stadium itself). they tried to break the bulletproof glass which divides them from the rest of the people in the stadium but failed.
and the police showed some great decision making, by not getting into the away sector and fight those bastards.... if they would have done such a thing, it would have been a massacre.
and once the ref declared the match suspended, the italian police managed to have those bastards back inside their coaches (after a small riot they succesfully controled and stopped) and then they escorted the coaches till the italian border.
no italian people was hurt, no italian fan inside the stadium was hurt, there were no huge damages in the city (precisely because we let those bastards get into the stadium) and only 12 serbian ultras were injured... and we're not even talking about serious wounds as the next day those 12 ultras were already free to leave the hospital.
THIS WAS AN OUTSTANDING SUCCESS, talking about security and public order. and to suggest any other country could have faced such a dangerous threat for the entire city better than we did is just laughable.
blatter said we should'nt have let those animals get into the stadium..... he's a brainless idiot who does't even think of the consequences.
of course the only thing he cares about is the football match. but there are much more important concerns than a stupid football match, like the safety of the city and his habitants.
of course serbian people have no responsability in what happened (although the serbian authorities do have responsabilities), and it would be stupid and unfair to blame serbians for what happened. as a matter of fact they're the victims in this situation, just as we were........ but to suggest that italy had some responsability in what happened is just
ridiculous.
edit: Pipa, after reading my post again, i realised it sounds kinda harsh. i don't really know why it came out like this (maybe it's coz i didn't put in any smiley
), but let me tell u, this isn't a rant or anything like it. i might be mad at blatter for what he said, but i'm certainly not mad at u
u just expressed your opinion (wich however, as i explained, is wrong)..... while blatter publicly blamed italy. what an idiot, if anything we should be praised for having dealt with such a dangerous situation without any tragic consequences.
i'm all for blaming italian authorities when they don't get it right (for instance the way roman police handled the man utd crowd a few years ago was unacceptable).... but we shouldn't be blamed even when we do the right thing (wich doesn't even happen that often
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