thanks daz!
vanzandt, i love to see england to well, and that is true. i've even got the home top and a couple of training tops.
I am simply saying therefore do not sail so close to the wind and make comments that can be easily misinterpreted and be misclassified along with those that are often made by the ignorant who hold prejudicial views.
if you ever go to northern ireland during a major championship, i'll think you'd get your eyes opened. there are union jacks up on walls and hanging from the ceilings in most of the bars (certainly in all the bars i go to) and 99% of northern irish people are cheering on england and most people are wearing england tops - much of this has to do with the fact that we are loyal to the queen and unfortunately, NI have failed to qualify for a major tournament since mexico 86. ultimately, we support northern ireland AND england.
I’m not interested in hearing excuses from you I would just like it if people didn’t always cast slurs whether joking or not, I do not want to deal with the undercurrent of prejudice and I do not want to hear attempts to explain it away. If you are not a person with any prejudice simply do not make comments that are so easily interpreted as such.
With regards to Northern Irleand, I have lived in Northern Irleand mate. I lived there for a number of years (I lived in Ballywlater and my dad is from Northern Ireland) so you don’t need to tell me the situation..
but i still stick by the opinion that a fair few people in the england team are more concerned about how they look than how they play...
That is your opinion and I do not agree with it, though you are entitled to it. My problem is not with mere opinion, rather it is what comes across as prejudice. A long time ago black people in England were told they were being overly sensitive If their happened to be a lot of black jokes or comments at their expense. No doubt some of the people indulging in such did so because it was seen as acceptable and part of the culture….that of course did not make it right. I often see England in a similar vain when it comes to world football and football forums. It has for whatever reason become acceptable to make such jokes and comments about England or the English or the England team and very rarely does anyone complain about it. I am saying that it whole unacceptable and wrong.
If you do not want to be tarred with the brush of being prejudicial then do not sail so close to the wind and do not join in with crowd in what has been previously seen as acceptable. It is no more acceptable than Bernand Manning saying it is just a bit of banter or I tell kokes about all kinds of people etc.
Even Coopz said that he can see how I could see your comments….that it took someone to know you to know you did not intend any harm. That means that people who do not know you can easily arrive t the conclusion I have….and frankly I would just prefer not to have to hear these type of comments irrespective of supposed intention.
edit: i must add, that i am talking about the england football team here, and NOT YOU AS AN INDIVIDUAL, so please don't misinterpret my comments towards the english football team as being towards you, which going by your posts, you seem to have taken my remarks personally and with an almost racist leaning...
No that is not aan acceptable explanation. If you say something that slurs my country and all the connotations that come with that, make stereotypical derogatory remarks about the English etc then you are casting a slur on me as I am English. I see it very much a personal thing. If you make similar stereotypical derogatory comments towards Italians, Mulsims, Black people etc then people from the those backgrounds will often take offence just as I have.
You cannot slag off a person’s country jokingly or not without some of that rubbing off on the individual and making them feel bad about it.
Just seriously stop trying to explain away the behavior. If you meant no harm or ill intention then we just leave it there and I’ll accept that and in future just think about how these things are and don’t make comments that sail so close to the wind and can be misinterpreted….please.
and he ain't played for us in donkeys.
