Euro 2016 will be in...

cfdh_edmundo

cfdh_edmundo

Maverick
30 December 2002
... France!

They won the most votes then Turkey, then Italy.

http://www.uefa.com/uefa/management/newsid=1493384.html#france+chosen+hosts+uefa+euro+2016

I would have preferred Italy or Turkey myself, but looking at the UEFA reports on the bid it looks like they were worried about some of the Italian venues (Cesena, Udine) and thought the ticket pricing structure was unrealistic.

I guess for Turkey they probably wanted to see more high speed trains and motorways or something.

You can see the reports here:

http://www.uefa.com/MultimediaFiles...ediaReleases/01/48/83/27/1488327_DOWNLOAD.pdf
 
Same for Italy. We really need investment into our stadiums. Some are really deteriorating due to lack of funding, which affects attendances.
 
Good for France because Lyon can start the new stadium and we are already qualifying
I hope the next Euro go to Turkey, if UEFA vote for France, it's just because don't want to difficult files in row, Ukraine/Poland 2012 and Turkey have big problem with the roads (stadiums access)
 
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ThomasGOAL said:
Good for France because Lyon can start the new stadium and we are already qualifying
I hope the next Euro go to Turkey, if UEFA vote for France, it's just because don't want to difficult files in row, Ukraine/Poland 2012 and Turkey have big problem with the roads (stadiums access)
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I agree ThomasGOAL. Turkey need to improve the infrastructure massively. There're big plans to build stadia's and improve the infrastructure across the country, not matter what dicesion of UEFA. So it is a win-win situation for Turkey. I'm glad it was 7 against 6. France is a strong country.

Congratz mate. I hope to see EURO 2020 in Turkey.
 
omer said:
we all know why it will be in france :) because of platini... france had 1 point more then turkey.
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After all the crap South Africa gave Fifa and Ukraine/Poland gave UEFA, France really was the logical and most sane decision.
 
i don't. our stadia are awful, as our facilities, and our highway network.... and our public transport system.

there's no way italy can compete with france, when it comes to infrastructures, facilities and organization.

congrats to our french friends in here :))
it will also be a nice excuse for an holyday in france :D
 
not true
x lo zio
i'm living in amsterdam and i travel the world every week
italy has the best highway, railway and public transport connection around.
 
nt89 said:
not true
x lo zio
i'm living in amsterdam and i travel the world every week
italy has the best highway, railway and public transport connection around.
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:CONFUSE: u can't be serious nt89.... i mean it's crazy enough to say we're on par with the likes of france, spain and germany when it comes to public transport network.....but "the best around"???!! oh come on, how can u say that! check out the eurostat site and see the numbers for yourself.
italy is the country who spends less in infrastructure manteinance of the entire euro zone.
5 out of the 10 most dangerous and badly conceived and built highways in europe are in italy..... and the worst highway in europe (according to a accidents\traffic flow analisys) is the salerno-reggio calabria..... wich is, for the records, the 2nd most important highway in italy. it took 20 years to us to finish the palermo-messina highway.... 20 years to build 300 km of highway... how does that sound to u?

and that's about the highways, coz when we start talking about trains, the situation gets even more embarassing. france, germany, spain, they all have an 80% coverage of high-speed rail.... how about italy? well we don't even reach the 50%. as a matter of fact, u won't find a single high-speed train below roma (wich means more than half of the country doesn't have coverage). and u know why?. it's because the rails pose such serious bad-mantainance related issues that it wouldn't be safe to have high-speed trains.
the average delay of an italian train is 12 minutes (in spain and france it's within 5 minutes).

yeah, upnorth the global situation is definitely better... and we can say that, from roma to milano, italy is almost on par (certainly not better, as u said) with france, speaking of infrastructures, facilities and public transport and services. but there's still half of the country below roma. and that is definitely not on par with europe's other rich countries.... it's not even close to be on par.

just an example: there are about 900 kilometers between milano and palermo. pretty much the same distance there is between paris and nice (there's less than a 40 kilometers difference).
if u take a tgv (train grand vitesse aka high speed rail) from paris, u're in nice in 6 hours. do u know how much it takes to reach milano from palermo with a frecciarossa (wich is the fastest train avaliable)? 16 hours . there is a 10 hours gap on the same distance between a french train and an italian one. u don't have to believe me, just visit trenitalia official site and the sncf official site and see for yourself.

mate, i'm sure u know netherlands' infrastructures.... but u clearely don't know france's, or spains' or germany's. and u certainly don't know italy's infrastructures situation. otherwise u wouldn't be saying italy has "the best highways and public transport system around".
i can't talk about netherlands, coz i've been just in amsterdam.... just once... just for a few weeks.... and it was 12 years ago.
but i can definitely talk about most of the rest of europe, as i lived for 3 years in france... i lived for 2 years in spain.... as a matter of fact i spent 1\3 of my life outside italy (and since i'm 30, that adds up to 10 travelling around the world).... and 6 of those 10 years i spent in europe... so i definitely know what i'm talking about.

italy is an amazing country. wherever u go u're always surrounded by beauty in any possible form; and the people are the most easy going, kind, caring and warm i've ever met (and as i said, i spent 10 years wandering around the globe, so i've got in touch with a lot of different cultures)....
.. but infrastructures, public facilities and public services... those aren't really our "forte". :))
 
I have to agree with Ben. I often travel to France and I live in the UK. The difference between transport maintenance and connections, as well as consistency (by this I mean the availability 24/7) is far higher compared to Milano... which is supposed to be the economic modern city. I had to take the train from Milan > London in April and the level of organization is completely lacklaster compared to my other Euro experiences.

I suppose the EURO bid would've brought funding to improve all of this, especially our poor stadia.
 
I'm living in Paris, and for me, this decision is definitly a mistake.
France has only one stadium that have more than 80000 seats, and all the others are separated by 1000 km (Lilles-Marseille, Strasbourg-Rennes) for example : very exhausting for the teams if they have to travel all the country).
Also, the new stadiums won't be ready in time : in Lilles, the works don't have autorisation, in Lyon, they don't have final project approved.
The biggest stadiums (without counting the Stade de France) are le Vélodrome, that needs a lot of renovation, and a roof (a lot of money needed that will not be attributed) and the Parc des Prince, known as the most dangerous stadium in France.
The roads, rails, .... are not easily usable in Paris, the only stadium easily joinable is Stade de France, the others are not easy to join for fans.
The main problem is money : french clubs are not wealthy and the government will allow an ammount of money that won't be enought to renove the Vélodrome.
I think that Italy would have been the best solution with a lot of "big" stadiums, and commodation that will allow to rejoin the stadiums : it is easier to join San Siro in metro the first time without speaking italian than to join Parc des Princes the first time, being french.
 
allezinter said:
it is easier to join San Siro in metro the first time without speaking italian than to join Parc des Princes the first time, being french.
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that's actually true, but that's coz le parc des princes is in the 15th arrondissement, wich isn't exactly downtown paris (and living there, i'm sure u know what i mean). but that only concerns this particular stadium, not every stadium in france. besides i believe they'll use st. denis rather than le parc the princes as paris stadium for the competition.

as for the dimensions of the stadia, that doesn't really matter. yes, italy has more high capacity stadia than france.... but the state of those stadia matters to fifa much more than their dimension (euro 2008 stadia proved uefa really doesn't care about stadia's capacity as long as the stadia are top notch in terms of quality).

most of french stadia were restructured for france '98, while italian stadia were restructured in 1990 (for our world cup).... 8 years are a lot of time... and u can see that 8 year gap comparing some italian stadia and some french stadia... sure the velodrome isn't really nice... but what about the others? i mean u talk about the state of progress of lyon's and lille's new stadia (i didn't even know they were about to build new stadia there)..... but to be honest their current stadia are already more recent then most of italians ones. besides there are some very nice and high quality french stadia like la beaujoire or le luis deux.
bottom line if, like u said, most of french stadia would need a renovation (btw roofs are absolutely unecessary for a summer competition in france!), well most of italian stadia should be demolished and rebuilt from ground zero...... wich would obviously take much more time and money.

also the distance between the stadia is not an issue. the max distance in france would be about 900/1000 kilometers (wich is exactly the same max distance u have in italy... palermo-milano)... and 1000 kilometers is about a 1 hour flight..... hardly an exhausting trip if u ask me.

the main issues here are:
pubblic transport - the french network is lightyears ahead of the italian one.
accomodations - both top notches in italy and france
stadia - both france and italy should work on this. but while french can be trusted about meeting a deadline, italians absolutely cannot! plus all italian stadia would need a complete rebuilding and not just a restructuration.

as an italian, i would love an international competition in here. but right now we don't deserve to host an international football competition.
 
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The thing about Italy, from my experience, is the trains are very good in terms of speed, but it stops south of Napoli. For instance I went from Milan to Rome in about 3 hours with some new train, it was way faster than any train in the UK (except the Eurostars to Paris and Belgium) and it wasn't too expensive (so long as you booked in advanced) and was more or less center of city to center of city. It stopped at some nice towns like Bologna and Florence, and it goes up to Turin too.

The trouble is the high speed will stop south of Napoli and also out to the Adriatic the connections are not too fast. Also for Palermo it's very difficult because even if you had a fast train all the way to Reggio d. Calabria you then have the straits of Messina - unless they build a bridge or tunnel it will always take long time to get there from the mainland.

I would have given it to Italy or Turkey, France had the World Cup in 1998 and the European Championships in 1984, it should be spread out a bit more.
 
cfdh_edmundo said:
The trouble is the high speed will stop south of Napoli and also out to the Adriatic the connections are not too fast.
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yep, that's right edmundo. the thing is... "south of napoli and the adriatic cost"..... that's about half of the entire country u're mentioning, so it's not just a small flaw in the public transport system; it's more like a huge infrastructural issue concerning one of the most important factors when it comes to events such an international football competition
 
lo zio said:
that's actually true, but that's coz le parc des princes is in the 15th arrondissement, wich isn't exactly downtown paris (and living there, i'm sure u know what i mean). but that only concerns this particular stadium, not every stadium in france. besides i believe they'll use st. denis rather than le parc the princes as paris stadium for the competition.
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Both will be used in fact, but even stadium nord or stade bollaert for smaller stadiums are hard to join.


lo zio said:
most of french stadia were restructured for france '98, while italian stadia were restructured in 1990 (for our world cup).... 8 years are a lot of time... and u can see that 8 year gap comparing some italian stadia and some french stadia... sure the velodrome isn't really nice... but what about the others? i mean u talk about the state of progress of lyon's and lille's new stadia (i didn't even know they were about to build new stadia there)..... but to be honest their current stadia are already more recent then most of italians ones. besides there are some very nice and high quality french stadia like la beaujoire or le luis deux.
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Yes, but by the way, it was 12 years ago, and you must know that stadio olimpico of roma was renovated last year and Juve stadium is being renovated.

lo zio said:
bottom line if, like u said, most of french stadia would need a renovation (btw roofs are absolutely unecessary for a summer competition in france!),
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It's not question of temperature, but WIND !!
It is impossible to play rugby there, and look at last france-argentina there, impossible for corners, centers, ...
 
oh, i honestly didn't consider the wind :P anyhow, as i said most of our stadia need much more than new roofs, they'll have to be demolished and rebuilt from scratch.
allezinter said:
Yes, but by the way, it was 12 years ago, and you must know that stadio olimpico of roma was renovated last year and Juve stadium is being renovated.
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i actually didn't know about the olimpico :CONFUSE:. and yeah juventus new stadium is gonna be ready next season. but that's about it. as for the other new stadia, the only ones who might be ready for 2016 are palermo's one and (maybe) fiorentina's one. pretty much every serie a club has a project for a new stadium, but, except those cases i just mentioned (palermo juve and fiorentina), they're all still nothing more than projects and they're not gonna be ready for 2016, if u ask me.
and all those stadia (except the olimpico stadium, according to what u just told me) didn't face a restructuration since italia '90.... wich means they're quite older than the french ones (whose last restructuration usually dates back to france '98).
i know 12 years are a lot of time.... but 20 years is even more than that! :P

btw what's happening here is really weird. an italian patronising france and a french patronising italy... that's not something u see very often :BEER:
 
I think it has been renovated for last champions league final no ??
And won't inter have a new stadium before 2016 ?
 
I'm sure that France will make a great organization, but Turkey deserve have one chance i belive. Because before 2016, France had an 3 FIFA and UEFA organization. Anyway, I belive that Platini has a huge effect on this decision. Because Turkey has highest fund by the goverment.

980.000.000€ (Guarenteed by goverment for 5 new stadiums, and some local works like rail roads and highways.)

Also, Turkey made an great Champions League final in 2005 and 2009 UEFA Cup final in Istanbul. I thought we proved something..
 
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Yes i think that when turkey will have suitable metro in all cities (it's the only missing thing : there is city train in istanbul and that's all) Turkey will organise a very good and enjoyable competition
 
allezlinter said:
I think it has been renovated for last champions league final no ??
And won't inter have a new stadium before 2016 ?
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Both Milan and Inter always talk about this because of the council's ownership of San Siro. I wish it was easier so that Milan and Inter could share the stadium, rather than both 'rent' it from the Milan city council.

I really believe San Siro is on par with other new big stadiums. It really is amazing, but too bad the teams have limited control over it.
 
I agree with you.
I heard one thing a few times ago, i don't know if it is still studied, but i thought Inter would build a new stadium for 2014 no ?
 
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