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Defending in PES 12 Demo is so hard

blanka797

blanka797

League 2
20 December 2005
I can't defend anymore in PES 2012 Demo ..
Robinho tears my defense apart easily even with 8 defenders.. He passes throw them with the ball like a ghost, no one can touch him.

Any defending tips or instructions ?

blanka797 said:
I think I am getting used to the new defending system. It's great and the main idea is :

1- Don't press the X button all the time like in the previous PES.
2- Press the X button at the right moment + the direction button directed to the ball.

There are some BUGS in this system due to the BETA DEMO like :

1- Some lack of awareness makes the defender can't deal with a simple challenge (AI BUG).
2- Suddenly - sometimes - The ball become INVISIBLE and it can walk throw legs :RANT:

Otherwise the new defending system is great and much fun.
Thank you KONAMI. I hope you will fix all bugs in the final code.
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blanka797 said:
I am getting better and better now. I can hold my defense line together even against Barca on Top player level.

Defending is an ART now and it depend on some factors:

1- Your formation and tactics (You should read every match and plan for it).
2- the quality of your team, defenders and DMF's.
3- Slow down, close spaces, avoid X button unless you have an extra man in your back to cover.
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they changed the "delay defending system"

in 011 stick backwards + X to delay or stick towards player + X for tackle

now u make delay R2 + X and tackle X :FAIL:

pointless change in my opinion

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and beside that now i think even more that cpu kinda knows what u are gonna to push on the pad, what direction, sometimes in 1v1 player knows where u gonna go
but its ok AI shud be hard..
 
Advice. Don't hold Jockey + X because that will always maintain the same distance between you and the attacker. They will always just run at you and pass or dribble round you. I usually jockey backwards and forwards so eventually i end up closing them down but not too quickly. Then i'll either run into them to tackle or press X at the exact moment i wish to tackle. Another tactic is to jockey with one player and secondary pressure with the computer, aiming not to let them past you. Getting another player near him leave him less options to dribble into you because he can turn into your other player. The only issue i still have is that when if the attacker passes then the player jockeying doesn't seem to try to intercept the pass by sticking a leg out, even whilst holding x. I've been in bad situations before where the attacker will pass straight forward and my defender should easily have intercepted it but didn't.

I've posted a lot about this recently, perhaps too much and i feel like i'm complaining far too much about this one aspect. For what it's worth i don't think defending is too hard inherently. I think it's that attacking is too easy. Too easy to keep the ball so close to your feet when dribbling and turning without accidentally pushing the ball more than 2 yards in front of your feet. Consequently it leads to so much 'ghosting' past players. It makes the defending system, which i think is decent this year, look like the issue.
 
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Haha,what a story.
When play some game after some time,everybody says its so easy for defense,i win 5,6,7-0 against CPU.And now,when CPU is active and smart,its all about complains,like they are so strong,they have perfect attack etc.


...peoples...
 
nikolapfc89 said:
Haha,what a story.
When play some game after some time,everybody says its so easy for defense,i win 5,6,7-0 against CPU.And now,when CPU is active and smart,its all about complains,like they are so strong,they have perfect attack etc.


...peoples...
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So it is win every game or lose every game? Nothing in between?
 
Nargh, I hope Konami don't tone it down before release, it's perfect in my eyes.

Just play naturally, get infront of the man, time R2 + X, win the ball job done. Most of the time if you're just stood infront with R2 held the player will run into you an lose the ball anyway.
 
Northzzz said:
The only issue i still have is that when if the attacker passes then the player jockeying doesn't seem to try to intercept the pass by sticking a leg out, even whilst holding x. I've been in bad situations before where the attacker will pass straight forward and my defender should easily have intercepted it but didn't.
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Same issue ..
 
nikolapfc89 said:
Haha,what a story.
When play some game after some time,everybody says its so easy for defense,i win 5,6,7-0 against CPU.And now,when CPU is active and smart,its all about complains,like they are so strong,they have perfect attack etc.


...peoples...
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I am not complaining.. I am just asking if there is a new defense system or it's just a defending bug.

In fact I like hard AI, but I don't like bugs.
 
dannyfc2 said:
Nargh, I hope Konami don't tone it down before release, it's perfect in my eyes.

Just play naturally, get infront of the man, time R2 + X, win the ball job done. Most of the time if you're just stood infront with R2 held the player will run into you an lose the ball anyway.
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Thanks. I will try it
 
Now that players can't catch up with the opponent this makes defending harder. And with soft touches to the opponent, free kick is given. I say they have given attackers a very huge "exploited" favor.
 
I cant say if its hard or easy but i feel lack of positional differences and individuality.I dont see a difference between defending with a RB,a DM or a CB.System works same for all. If your timing is good you take the ball with same animation. I dont feel a physical difference between them.
 
sedax said:
I cant say if its hard or easy but i feel lack of positional differences and individuality.I dont see a difference between defending with a RB,a DM or a CB.System works same for all. If your timing is good you take the ball with same animation. I dont feel a physical difference between them.
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I can actually defend with the CB's and DMF's better than other. Take Porto for example, I can't do much with Belluschi compared to Fernando or Ronaldo.
 
AlaaEG said:
I can actually defend with the CB's and DMF's better than other. Take Porto for example, I can't do much with Belluschi compared to Fernando or Ronaldo.
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I understand.What i m tring to say is not defending good or bad in game.I can defend fairly well too.But within the limits of defending system.After a time people will get used to it defend well.I say defending system shouldnt be same for CB's and other players.They dont have same defensive priorities, duties,skills and behaviours in real life.Not exatcly same but it's like perimeter defense and post defense in basketball.Defending system is good but there are missing things.I m tring to say this.I'd like talk about details,i talked with a coach of my home team Denizlispor 2-3 days ago in clubs local but i wonder if my English is good enough to explain all the stuff.
 
The thing that annoys me with defending ( apart from that 1 bug mentioned here already ) is that once someone goes past you theres no way your going to catch up, even if your defender has 90 top speed and the attacker is berbatov, I think they made it so that theres some kind of force field preventing you to catch up.
Its good to get rid of catch up but this is unrealistic aswell.
 
all those who moan about something being hard, just play the game on regular.

all those moans destroyed each pes game in last couple of years.
 
I'm not sure why some people are still adamant about playing on Top Player either. I made that mistake when i first started playing the demo because that's what i did on PES 2011. The thing is that the AI on top player seems cheap. I'm talking Fifa Legendary clairvoyant cheap. It's a challenge sure but not such an enjoyable one if you intend to play football. Professional is more on par with 2011's top player and feels less cheap even when you do lose.
 
Northzzz said:
I'm not sure why some people are still adamant about playing on Top Player either.
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+1

and they always moand and moan and moan about game being difficult...

and what's even worse, konami listen to those and make poor final product...

you have dificulty levels and play on lower levels if you find it hard. don't destory game for us who can enjoy when it's hard with those every year moans.

end of story.
 
MadbaLL said:
+1

and they always moand and moan and moan about game being difficult...

and what's even worse, konami listen to those and make poor final product...

you have dificulty levels and play on lower levels if you find it hard. don't destory game for us who can enjoy when it's hard with those every year moans.

end of story.
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You are right people may request absurd things because of frustration but if a game is poor you cant put the blame on just customers.Doesnt Konami have professionals?For example I m requesting an improvement in sound and commentary for years.I m sure a lot of people requested it too but they dont seem to be listening.I dont buy "requested" excuse.
 
I have slightly better success defending by leaving slide tackles as normal on the player assistance menu. I turned them all off to begin with because i wanted the biggest challenge but slide tackles really do seem to help. They're currently the only thing i have turned on. In pes 2011 i used to give away so many fouls because of bad CPU decisions when they tried to slide tackle. This hasn't been an issue in 2012 yet. I think often it helps with clearances too and automated headers when defending from crosses and corners.
 
I've actually started to torn the CPU apart on top player today. So rewarding when you control the game. :)
 
MadbaLL said:
+1

and they always moand and moan and moan about game being difficult...

and what's even worse, konami listen to those and make poor final product...

you have dificulty levels and play on lower levels if you find it hard. don't destory game for us who can enjoy when it's hard with those every year moans.

end of story.
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for once I agree with you. People need to complain less, not more.
 
tc811 said:
for once I agree with you. People need to complain less, not more.
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The thing is, people don't like to end up with a dumped down version of the AI. They want the most challenging 'humanely' difficult AI.
 
I think I am getting used to the new defending system. It's great and the main idea is :

1- Don't press the X button all the time like in the previous PES.
2- Press the X button at the right moment + the direction button directed to the ball.

There are some BUGS in this system do to the BETA DEMO like :

1- Some lack of awareness makes the defender can't deal with a simple challenge (AI BUG).
2- Suddenly - sometimes - The ball become INVISIBLE and it can walk throw legs :RANT:

Otherwise the new defending system is great and much fun.
Thank you KONAMI. I hope you will fix all bugs in the final code.
 
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