Are gifted foriegn players being bullied and hacked out of the Premiership?

Beliel

Banned
31 December 2006
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Red Devils
I feel Its one of the main problems with the game in England where lesser talent and big strong tackles along with rough house tactic is equally praised and considered an art. You only have to look what happened with Robinho. He started playing in the EPL, he saw the type of tackling that is ''normal'' in the EPL, he got scared and started playing poorly, and now he does not wants to come back to the EPL. This was not a problem when he played in the Spanish La Liga

History of caeer threatening challenges

I can only think of Arsene Wenger who wants to encourage a more technical type of game, Yet every season we are guaranteed to witness leg-breaks resulting from reckless challenges that could be avoied - Last year it was Ramsey getting his leg broken in half by Ryan Shawross. The season before Kevin Nolan intentionally stamps on Anichebe breaking his leg. Before we all know of Taylor vs Eduardo who didn’t have any decency to apologise. Prior to that, we see Possebon suffering serious injury by Emanuel Pogatetz'. Before that Ben Thatcher takes out Mendez with an elbow and send hims to directly to hospital. Before Chris Morgan for Barnsley fractures another players skull through elbowing him. All these players with the exception of Thatcher got away with 3 match bans.

Gifted Players not getting any protection and leaving

Young talented players who come to the premiership who have the requisite skill and technical ability, but not the physique and mental ability to succeed are not prepared to cope with the injuries that entail when being chopped down time after time . It’s no doubt one of the reasons we some of the best players want to leave like Ronaldo, Torres, Arshavin and fabregas. They’ve all complained in the past about not getting the protection needed when they are consequently targeted by the opposition who's game-plan tends to focus on taking players out roughing them up with the ethos of ''Playing a man’s game,” ”getting it ‘up em,” and “giving him something to remember with every challenge '''getting stuck’’ where its usually endorsed and encouraged by their own managers - Gareth southgates came out one time and supported James Morrison hack/tackle on Ronaldo saying;
“James Morrison is a young kid. In that situation, we would all be tempted to lash out because when a guy is doing tricks like that, it is frustrating when you have just conceded a goal.

Supporting Un-sportsmanship within the game

The mentality is also supported by commentators and pundits who usually defend the player who chooses to play dirty with risible comments about how he was 'no respecter of big reputations' or ‘’welcome to the premiership son’’. But when the same player breaks anothers leg in a serious challenge that is no longer light or funny the same excuse is trotted out ‘’Hes not kind of player’’ ‘’Oh he’s an honest lad that john he’d never do such a thing’’ as if that makes the present incident alright. Players who ply their trade in the prem now have been indoctrinated into thinking its ok to take out players if they show off their skills. George Boateng’s claim that Ronaldo’s coruscation were likely to get him hurt with comments supporting the idea of taking out players if they demonstrate their ability to brashly “A lot of players want to do what Morrison did. Why didn’t Ronaldo do his tricks when it was 0-0 and when both sides were ¬fighting to get a goal? That annoys people’’
It’s one reason why top players prefer Spain and unfortunately we will continue to see many more great players deciding not to take up the option of playing in the EPL until the FA begin to revamp their disciplinary procedures and see the necessity of clamping down on awful career ending challenges and deliver harsher punishment to the less talented thugs ,hacks and wanna-be rugby players of the game.

Punishment doesn’t fit the crime

The same way the English press,pundits and the like go up in arms when they see a player dive and say ‘’theres is no place in the game for those antics’’ they need to root out the ugly srough house side of the premiership as it does more harm sending a player to the hospital than a player choosing to fall to the ground with minimal contact. We see that the punishment does not fit the crime and needs to harder on such players that commit these bad tackles, A 3 match ban and a fine does not hurt or deter the offending player enough to not think twice the next time they decide to act as thugs. Stopping them playing for a sufficient amount of time equal to the time player they injured is out for, will not only hurt their club but stop them patting the player on the back

Referee's skewed perceptions and judgements

English referees are also cuprits in their blindness on violence and violent conducts of some players which they accept . They are more concerned by the aggressed players who they think may have ‘’made the most of it’’ than by the aggressor himself and the nature and the seriousness of the foul. Talents like Ronaldo, Robinho, Torres and Fabregas will necessarily be obliged to leave England since being the victims , the referees and some jealous people consider them the culprits ; this is simply unbelievable.

Academies, Coaches and Foreigners

This is an obvious problem stemming from grass root level to the development process of professional English footballerss .it seems that their system just keep on developing big raw strength and power or rather kick and rush football. Big and strong is easily the preference of academy scouts. Technical players are overlooked at the grass roots level in favour of all action, high physicality brute types of players by the coaching system and when those young players who do try show their skills on the training ground in those academies, they’re then told their being too selfish with the ball and a show pony. The resentment and abhorrence towards creative and technical sound players becomes ingrained and starts showing from bottom up.
I'd also argue the lack of English players in the Premier League is not the issue where many people in football are still blaming that too many foreigners players is hurting the league, the English international team, the future of the game, because it doesn’t allow English players to advance. The fact is one player should make it by ability and ability alone not because of their passport. It has to be a meritocracy, a principle which is at the heart of what sport actually is; competing to see whose the best, if your good enough you’ll get through. Bringing in superior talent from no matter where makes the players playing with them, the people watching them, and the level of play in the country they play in better.

Fundemental issues with the league and nation team

The real the issue with why the league and country is suffering is because with England generating a single type of player and dissuading flair and technical skill in youngsters at a young age. Being too small to play football is still an issue in the English game at the grass roots level. Somehow I don't think Spain, Argentina, Brazil and Germany etc. follow a similar approach. The problem is, there just aren't enough English players that are good enough coming through. Forcing clubs to play a certain number of home players is not going to improve the standard of player coming through dramatically, though it will have some effect. What it will do, however, is reduce the standard within the league.

Attiudes required to change

It also comes down to the fact that the English leagues favour fast, strong and physical play over pure technique, and that carries through into the youth systems as well. In order to see a real change in the youth system and the kinds of players being developed, we also need to see a change in the leagues, allowing more room for technique, and maybe some players getting a bit more protection from the ref instead of allowing the ard men to kick lumps out of out of the more technically gifted with basic tactics which consist only to hoof it up to big Billy up front. referees clearly favor rough type players and there is no doubt a bit of jealously when they see players doing tricks and dribbling, they get a sense of satisfaction when seeing them hacked down, its why they are so lenient on the offending player - thus not encouraging the type of game that encourages technical play, skill and dribbling.

Youth players are not encouraged enough to play and have fun with the ball allowing them to be more comfortable and teachical with the ball at their feet. Instead once their in possession you have the coaches with limited tactical nous screaming ‘’clear it’’ ‘’pass it pass it’ with their ignorant dads going ’’get stuck in’’ ‘’lets have it son’’ who have no idea what it takes to be a great footballer. As a result with England, we have seen enough creative players playing EPL football but we never see one wearing the England shirt. England needs to play creative football, you do not need to play creative football in order to win titles but you need creative players. Looking at the facts, creative players, regardless of what type of football the team plays, are the ones who go on to win World Cup titles. World Cup Tournaments are very short, this is where distinctive players stand out the mostIt is a FACT that the current attitude has been very successful at club level, no one can argue against that fact; however, I do not think it will ever be successful in short tournaments like the World Cup.
 
I don't think so, the best players will flourish here and in the case of a lot it makes them more complete players. I think Robinho showed in his first season how good he was (scoring 15 and generally settled in well) but he just has a shit attitude which made him regress rather than getting kicked out.

The grass roots and general thinking behind the youth system here is something which has been debated lots and its very true but at the end of the day there's a culture clash which I doubt will change. players of the talent of Robinho could never have developed here for so many reasons which is a shame.
 
its true about harsh attacks ,but the EPL might set the bar you can also see other leagues have brutal players. Remember Rooney was targeted by Bayer thugs clearly there aim was to injured him maybe not his career but enough to keep him down. Puyol broke Fabs leg accidental ,hell diaby broke nasri`s leg in training. I agree w/ mostly how players aren`t getting protected I think the worst comes from refs they can control the tempo from the start of the game.

I sometime think Robinho was told they were going to bring in kaka and others to his liking ,but then saw him rooming it up w/ bellamy and he was put off :LOL:

Nothing is better than watching fast speed , strong and physical play over slow build up technical imo. Mutd has super counter-attacking and Arsenal has that fast ping pong passing and most of the teams are getting better counters w/ a mix of passing. Damn I can`t wait to have epl footy back.
 
The English game was around long before most of these so-called gifted players. If you're good enough, you learn how to play teams at their own game. Plenty of foreign players (Dennis Bergkamp, Juninho, Thierry Henry, Gheorgi Kinkladze.. the list goes on and on) have not only coped, but excelled in the English top flight.
 
The Ramsey leg break couldn't be avoided, Shawcross was attempting to clear the ball and connected with Ramsey's leg. It was horrific but a complete accident, he wasn't going in recklessly, studs up or anything like that.
I would wager there are plenty of horrific tackles in other leagues that get no coverage over here.
I do agree with the promotion of fitness and size over ability though, plus the emphasis on results rather than enjoyment at too young an age.

Having said that foreign stars will come to the EPL whilst they can get the massive wages they wouldn't get elsewhere.
 
If everything was the same, then the world would be a boring place.

Italian football is based on slow, build up play and outstanding defensive tactics.

Spanish football is about build up play, keeping the ball, tactical ability.

Brazil is full of flair, providing brilliant young players.

England is high tempo, action, physical.

England has a massive problem in the sense that we over price our players. This means none of our players go abroad and none of them learn any technical ability. This is why we struggle at international level.

But our club sides are outstandingand this is shown by the dominance (Barcelona aside) of English teams in the Champions League over the last 5-6 years or so.

Players go to countries knowing full well what the league is like.
They have to adapt to the league.

The league doesn't change for them.

If they don't like it... tough.
If they cry about it... tough.
 
I think physical strength is an important part of the game, in the same way that stamina and pace are.

However there is a distinct difference between the application of being physical and that of kick and stamp hack and slash brawlers of the likes of Carragher, Barton, Chris Morgan, Thatcher, Taylor, Shawcross whose only intention are to end careers.

Then with the back of commentors and pundits who excuse this diabolical excuse for football, churn out lyrics '' oh he's an honest lad that john, he would'nt harm a fly''

We witness it time and time again. It's simply a case of hooligans dressed up as footballers in the premiership
 
So all those players are out to end careers, are they?

You need to make the distinction between intention and consequence, my friend.

And as for kick, stamp, hack, gauge, poke, karate kick, manipulate referees/blatantly cheating... where do you stand on the likes of Heinze, Van Bommel, Materazzi, De Jong?

And as for those that deliberately cheat?

The World Cup final was a showpiece of thuggery, cheating and manipulation of rules, as well as poor general conduct from players.

Indeed, all English/British players there...
 
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